1 00:00:05,030 --> 00:00:03,189 hi welcome to the international space 2 00:00:07,190 --> 00:00:05,040 station flight control room this is 3 00:00:09,509 --> 00:00:07,200 where it takes place i am here today 4 00:00:11,589 --> 00:00:09,519 with al drew he's the astronaut he is 5 00:00:13,110 --> 00:00:11,599 also the habitat demonstration unit 6 00:00:15,430 --> 00:00:13,120 project lead for the advanced 7 00:00:17,430 --> 00:00:15,440 exploration systems program he's here 8 00:00:18,950 --> 00:00:17,440 with us to talk and connect with the 9 00:00:20,310 --> 00:00:18,960 distance learning network and we're 10 00:00:23,509 --> 00:00:20,320 going to be talking with some students 11 00:00:25,349 --> 00:00:23,519 at the zion lutheran school al first 12 00:00:26,950 --> 00:00:25,359 let's just go ahead and briefly just 13 00:00:28,950 --> 00:00:26,960 give a brief discussion so just so 14 00:00:30,710 --> 00:00:28,960 everyone knows what it is that you do 15 00:00:32,870 --> 00:00:30,720 explain a little about what you do as 16 00:00:34,389 --> 00:00:32,880 the habitat demonstration unit project 17 00:00:36,549 --> 00:00:34,399 lead okay 18 00:00:37,830 --> 00:00:36,559 the main thing is that we're looking at 19 00:00:40,549 --> 00:00:37,840 interplanetary and deep space 20 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:40,559 exploration and these are marked by very 21 00:00:44,630 --> 00:00:42,719 long missions very deep far off into 22 00:00:46,709 --> 00:00:44,640 space and quite frankly you need a place 23 00:00:48,630 --> 00:00:46,719 to live and work and so we work on the 24 00:00:49,830 --> 00:00:48,640 places where people do their normal 25 00:00:52,310 --> 00:00:49,840 things that you might find on the space 26 00:00:53,910 --> 00:00:52,320 station or space shuttle and also where 27 00:00:55,830 --> 00:00:53,920 people would live you know where you 28 00:00:57,270 --> 00:00:55,840 sleep where you eat where you just play 29 00:01:00,310 --> 00:00:57,280 a game of cards or 30 00:01:01,990 --> 00:01:00,320 or hang out and watch the world go by 31 00:01:04,149 --> 00:01:02,000 really quickly how is deep space 32 00:01:06,070 --> 00:01:04,159 different than what we're doing now uh d 33 00:01:08,789 --> 00:01:06,080 space is different for one in that 34 00:01:09,910 --> 00:01:08,799 you're very far away from earth so 35 00:01:11,590 --> 00:01:09,920 now if we have a problem on space 36 00:01:12,789 --> 00:01:11,600 station today we can be on the ground 37 00:01:14,870 --> 00:01:12,799 within hours 38 00:01:16,469 --> 00:01:14,880 if you're halfway to mars it may take 39 00:01:18,550 --> 00:01:16,479 you months before you get back even if 40 00:01:20,870 --> 00:01:18,560 something goes wrong another big thing 41 00:01:22,310 --> 00:01:20,880 is that radiation in deep space the 42 00:01:24,630 --> 00:01:22,320 earth has a magnetic field around it 43 00:01:26,390 --> 00:01:24,640 that deflects a lot of really just bad 44 00:01:28,469 --> 00:01:26,400 amounts of radiation that are not far 45 00:01:30,870 --> 00:01:28,479 above us once we get what we call the 46 00:01:32,870 --> 00:01:30,880 van allen belts you were out in was in 47 00:01:34,870 --> 00:01:32,880 the in the deep space radiation galactic 48 00:01:36,310 --> 00:01:34,880 cosmic radiation is what it's called and 49 00:01:37,590 --> 00:01:36,320 you wouldn't live very long out there 50 00:01:39,429 --> 00:01:37,600 unless there's a lot of shielding around 51 00:01:40,630 --> 00:01:39,439 you so that's one of our big challenges 52 00:01:41,670 --> 00:01:40,640 is to figure out how much shielding you 53 00:01:43,109 --> 00:01:41,680 put around 54 00:01:44,789 --> 00:01:43,119 these vehicles and places where people 55 00:01:46,630 --> 00:01:44,799 live while we're out there in space 56 00:01:48,469 --> 00:01:46,640 another part is that 57 00:01:49,830 --> 00:01:48,479 i learned when i was on the job was that 58 00:01:51,030 --> 00:01:49,840 it's much much colder out there in deep 59 00:01:52,950 --> 00:01:51,040 space than it is right where the 60 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:52,960 international space station is the earth 61 00:01:56,789 --> 00:01:55,200 is a very big very hot rock uh that 62 00:01:58,709 --> 00:01:56,799 keeps us warm uh these are our 63 00:02:00,389 --> 00:01:58,719 spacecraft warm to some degree when it's 64 00:02:01,270 --> 00:02:00,399 next to it the further you get away from 65 00:02:02,870 --> 00:02:01,280 the earth 66 00:02:04,550 --> 00:02:02,880 the less warming you get from that even 67 00:02:05,990 --> 00:02:04,560 the moon has a ability to warm you up so 68 00:02:07,429 --> 00:02:06,000 when you're in deep space 69 00:02:09,589 --> 00:02:07,439 keeping things warm and operating 70 00:02:11,990 --> 00:02:09,599 temperature is a much tougher challenge 71 00:02:14,150 --> 00:02:12,000 okay thank you so uh with that for that 72 00:02:15,430 --> 00:02:14,160 little that quick description um so with 73 00:02:17,110 --> 00:02:15,440 that let's go ahead and connect to the 74 00:02:20,229 --> 00:02:17,120 distance learning 75 00:02:25,030 --> 00:02:22,309 i am and zion lutheran is with us as 76 00:02:26,150 --> 00:02:25,040 well they are uh i'm sure happy to begin 77 00:02:43,110 --> 00:02:26,160 questions now 78 00:02:47,110 --> 00:02:44,390 uh 79 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:47,120 what is the best rocket that can go to 80 00:02:55,270 --> 00:02:52,550 okay so that question is what is the 81 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:55,280 best rocket that can go to mars 82 00:02:59,190 --> 00:02:56,640 what is the best rocket that can go to 83 00:03:01,430 --> 00:02:59,200 mars the best rocket that can go to mars 84 00:03:02,790 --> 00:03:01,440 is one that is most fuel efficient uh 85 00:03:05,270 --> 00:03:02,800 currently the big problem we have with 86 00:03:07,509 --> 00:03:05,280 going to mars is that for every pound of 87 00:03:09,190 --> 00:03:07,519 anything we take to mars be it you or 88 00:03:10,149 --> 00:03:09,200 your luggage or your food or your 89 00:03:12,550 --> 00:03:10,159 clothes 90 00:03:13,990 --> 00:03:12,560 we need a thousand pounds of fuel and 91 00:03:15,350 --> 00:03:14,000 that adds up very very quickly and 92 00:03:16,869 --> 00:03:15,360 especially if you're launching all that 93 00:03:19,030 --> 00:03:16,879 to orbit it at maybe fifty thousand 94 00:03:20,630 --> 00:03:19,040 dollars a pound so we need things that 95 00:03:23,830 --> 00:03:20,640 that are much more efficient than our 96 00:03:25,350 --> 00:03:23,840 current chemical rockets uh and the best 97 00:03:26,869 --> 00:03:25,360 fuel is a fuel that is light so 98 00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:26,879 electrons quite frankly is the best 99 00:03:30,390 --> 00:03:28,319 thing to use this exhaust from your 100 00:03:32,470 --> 00:03:30,400 rocket now we can either get that by way 101 00:03:34,949 --> 00:03:32,480 of nuclear sources so if you have a 102 00:03:37,430 --> 00:03:34,959 nuclear reactor it can spit out um that 103 00:03:39,670 --> 00:03:37,440 is the exhaust like like franklin chang 104 00:03:40,869 --> 00:03:39,680 diaz's vasim a rocket engine or you can 105 00:03:43,270 --> 00:03:40,879 actually use sunlight we have these 106 00:03:44,309 --> 00:03:43,280 solar electric uh propulsion motors that 107 00:03:45,910 --> 00:03:44,319 we're working on right now where you 108 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:45,920 take solar arrays like you found the 109 00:03:50,149 --> 00:03:47,760 space station and you convert that into 110 00:03:51,670 --> 00:03:50,159 thrust and quite frankly that's free 111 00:03:52,949 --> 00:03:51,680 fuel and it's like you're using the sun 112 00:03:57,350 --> 00:03:52,959 to power yourself around the solar 113 00:04:02,070 --> 00:04:01,030 okay we'll take another question 114 00:04:04,869 --> 00:04:02,080 uh 115 00:04:05,750 --> 00:04:04,879 how much capacity can the average rocket 116 00:04:07,990 --> 00:04:05,760 hold 117 00:04:09,270 --> 00:04:08,000 how much capacity can the average rocket 118 00:04:11,030 --> 00:04:09,280 hold 119 00:04:12,070 --> 00:04:11,040 how much capacity can the average rocket 120 00:04:13,750 --> 00:04:12,080 hold 121 00:04:15,350 --> 00:04:13,760 well that depends on the rocket the uh i 122 00:04:16,310 --> 00:04:15,360 think the space shuttle please don't 123 00:04:19,030 --> 00:04:16,320 quote me 124 00:04:21,670 --> 00:04:19,040 it could take about 60 tons of mass to 125 00:04:23,830 --> 00:04:21,680 orbit over and above itself our current 126 00:04:25,990 --> 00:04:23,840 commercial rockets are somewhere closer 127 00:04:27,189 --> 00:04:26,000 to maybe 20 tons of mass they can take 128 00:04:28,950 --> 00:04:27,199 to orbit 129 00:04:31,030 --> 00:04:28,960 nasa is working on a rocket right now 130 00:04:33,830 --> 00:04:31,040 that they want to be able to take 130 131 00:04:35,030 --> 00:04:33,840 tons of mass to orbit and when we do 132 00:04:39,430 --> 00:04:35,040 that then we'll be able to do good 133 00:04:45,590 --> 00:04:42,710 we have another question 134 00:04:48,469 --> 00:04:45,600 um what will be the effects of 135 00:04:50,629 --> 00:04:48,479 heating a mars polar ice cap 136 00:04:55,270 --> 00:04:50,639 and what would it make the climate or 137 00:05:00,550 --> 00:04:57,189 and let's let's repeat that question one 138 00:05:05,430 --> 00:05:03,029 um what would be the effects of heating 139 00:05:08,710 --> 00:05:05,440 a mars polar ice cap 140 00:05:10,070 --> 00:05:08,720 and would that make the climate change 141 00:05:11,830 --> 00:05:10,080 what would be the effect of heating the 142 00:05:14,790 --> 00:05:11,840 mars polar ice caps then would that 143 00:05:17,110 --> 00:05:14,800 cause a the climate to change on mars 144 00:05:19,430 --> 00:05:17,120 that's a really profound question yes 145 00:05:21,590 --> 00:05:19,440 much of what mars's 146 00:05:24,070 --> 00:05:21,600 ice caps are are 147 00:05:26,310 --> 00:05:24,080 frozen carbon dioxide such dry ice and 148 00:05:27,990 --> 00:05:26,320 so if you were to 149 00:05:29,110 --> 00:05:28,000 liberate all that carbon dioxide in the 150 00:05:30,950 --> 00:05:29,120 atmosphere i imagine it would have to 151 00:05:32,710 --> 00:05:30,960 have some effect on the atmosphere you 152 00:05:34,070 --> 00:05:32,720 have a greenhouse effect 153 00:05:35,830 --> 00:05:34,080 one of the problems we have with mars 154 00:05:37,350 --> 00:05:35,840 atmosphere is they have had the reverse 155 00:05:38,870 --> 00:05:37,360 greenhouse effect that venus has had in 156 00:05:42,230 --> 00:05:38,880 that they don't have enough carbon 157 00:05:43,510 --> 00:05:42,240 dioxide and so mars is much colder 158 00:05:46,150 --> 00:05:43,520 than the earth would be if it was out 159 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:46,160 there at mars orbiting radius so i 160 00:05:50,830 --> 00:05:47,440 imagine it would warm up mars a little 161 00:05:55,909 --> 00:05:50,840 bit which might make it a more habitable 162 00:06:00,710 --> 00:05:57,510 um how do you 163 00:06:04,070 --> 00:06:00,720 recycle water on the space station 164 00:06:05,590 --> 00:06:04,080 like what's the progress of that 165 00:06:07,350 --> 00:06:05,600 how do we recycle water on the space 166 00:06:09,270 --> 00:06:07,360 station uh it's also a very good 167 00:06:10,710 --> 00:06:09,280 question because if you're almost under 168 00:06:12,550 --> 00:06:10,720 every drop of water we get on the space 169 00:06:14,550 --> 00:06:12,560 station has to be imported 170 00:06:18,070 --> 00:06:14,560 we make none of our own so 171 00:06:20,070 --> 00:06:18,080 we have means of on the russian side of 172 00:06:21,270 --> 00:06:20,080 basically distilling that water and 173 00:06:23,909 --> 00:06:21,280 bringing it back through their different 174 00:06:25,270 --> 00:06:23,919 processors the united states has brought 175 00:06:26,870 --> 00:06:25,280 up some of their own water process 176 00:06:28,950 --> 00:06:26,880 equipment most famously the urine 177 00:06:30,870 --> 00:06:28,960 processor to be able to take our own 178 00:06:32,870 --> 00:06:30,880 urine and process that back again 179 00:06:41,749 --> 00:06:32,880 distilling it and turning it back into 180 00:06:48,469 --> 00:06:45,430 um in the movies they always have like 181 00:06:51,029 --> 00:06:48,479 dome-shaped houses on like mars 182 00:06:54,629 --> 00:06:51,039 so i was wondering if we wanted to make 183 00:06:55,589 --> 00:06:54,639 a colonization in on mars 184 00:06:57,029 --> 00:06:55,599 would that 185 00:06:59,670 --> 00:06:57,039 like 186 00:07:01,830 --> 00:06:59,680 be scientifically possible and if it 187 00:07:05,029 --> 00:07:01,840 would would that protect us from the 188 00:07:07,189 --> 00:07:05,039 constant sand storms and rain okay uh 189 00:07:09,589 --> 00:07:07,199 the the domes you see on planets in 190 00:07:10,790 --> 00:07:09,599 these in books and movies they're really 191 00:07:13,110 --> 00:07:10,800 nice there might be a place you might 192 00:07:14,950 --> 00:07:13,120 enter exit where you live if you were on 193 00:07:16,550 --> 00:07:14,960 mars but as a good friend of mine 194 00:07:18,150 --> 00:07:16,560 christopher stott once mentioned to me 195 00:07:19,749 --> 00:07:18,160 says you like same thing with the moon 196 00:07:21,110 --> 00:07:19,759 and mars you would not live on the 197 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:21,120 surface of either of these planets you 198 00:07:24,790 --> 00:07:23,120 would live in those planets beneath the 199 00:07:26,150 --> 00:07:24,800 surface because the the ground around 200 00:07:28,390 --> 00:07:26,160 you would have to protect you from the 201 00:07:30,629 --> 00:07:28,400 radiation which would be much more of a 202 00:07:32,710 --> 00:07:30,639 problem for you than the sandstorms and 203 00:07:34,550 --> 00:07:32,720 winds you'd find on the surface of mars 204 00:07:36,469 --> 00:07:34,560 i understand the air at the surface of 205 00:07:38,469 --> 00:07:36,479 mars is very thin almost like what you'd 206 00:07:40,309 --> 00:07:38,479 find up at 100 000 feet above the earth 207 00:07:42,629 --> 00:07:40,319 so even it looks very dramatic to see 208 00:07:43,589 --> 00:07:42,639 the sands the the dust devils and winds 209 00:07:45,430 --> 00:07:43,599 out there 210 00:07:47,189 --> 00:07:45,440 it's really not that powerful in terms 211 00:07:48,950 --> 00:07:47,199 of its force like you'd find here on 212 00:07:54,309 --> 00:07:48,960 earth but the radiation would be a much 213 00:08:00,309 --> 00:07:57,189 i was wondering is it like hard to 214 00:08:02,869 --> 00:08:00,319 adjust to the life in space 215 00:08:04,390 --> 00:08:02,879 is it hard to adjust to life in space 216 00:08:06,309 --> 00:08:04,400 you do have to make some adjustment to 217 00:08:07,830 --> 00:08:06,319 it it usually takes a couple of days 218 00:08:08,869 --> 00:08:07,840 before you get to just the basic part of 219 00:08:10,469 --> 00:08:08,879 it just getting used to the fact that 220 00:08:12,309 --> 00:08:10,479 there is no up 221 00:08:14,230 --> 00:08:12,319 that your sunrises and sunsets come 222 00:08:16,790 --> 00:08:14,240 every 45 minutes apart 223 00:08:18,150 --> 00:08:16,800 and and you lose for me i lose a good 224 00:08:19,510 --> 00:08:18,160 sense of what time it is without my 225 00:08:21,510 --> 00:08:19,520 watches and clogs around me i'd be 226 00:08:23,029 --> 00:08:21,520 completely lost i'd be trying to radio 227 00:08:24,950 --> 00:08:23,039 friends and people like that from space 228 00:08:27,029 --> 00:08:24,960 that at all count all times a day and 229 00:08:28,230 --> 00:08:27,039 night and annoying them so 230 00:08:29,430 --> 00:08:28,240 and the other last thing you should get 231 00:08:32,230 --> 00:08:29,440 used to is 232 00:08:34,230 --> 00:08:32,240 just being when you you 233 00:08:35,990 --> 00:08:34,240 on on earth you're hauling your weight 234 00:08:37,509 --> 00:08:36,000 around and in space all you're hauling 235 00:08:39,990 --> 00:08:37,519 around is your mass and so you don't 236 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:40,000 need your big muscles like quadriceps 237 00:08:42,790 --> 00:08:41,360 and biceps and things like that to move 238 00:08:45,030 --> 00:08:42,800 around you use your fingertips and your 239 00:08:46,550 --> 00:08:45,040 toes to push yourself around gracefully 240 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:46,560 and for the first few days when you are 241 00:08:49,750 --> 00:08:48,240 pushing off your big muscles you take 242 00:08:51,190 --> 00:08:49,760 off too quickly and you knock things off 243 00:09:00,790 --> 00:08:51,200 the wall and people recognize that 244 00:09:06,710 --> 00:09:04,550 what kind of meals did you do you eat on 245 00:09:08,630 --> 00:09:06,720 the space station 246 00:09:10,630 --> 00:09:08,640 what kind of meals do we almost anything 247 00:09:12,630 --> 00:09:10,640 you could imagine having here on earth 248 00:09:14,949 --> 00:09:12,640 we have a food laboratory here at 249 00:09:16,870 --> 00:09:14,959 johnson space center that's been working 250 00:09:19,509 --> 00:09:16,880 continuously since we've had a space 251 00:09:21,750 --> 00:09:19,519 program on making uh really delicious 252 00:09:23,990 --> 00:09:21,760 food that's nutrition that's nutritious 253 00:09:25,990 --> 00:09:24,000 for us and they have been there they've 254 00:09:27,750 --> 00:09:26,000 let their imaginations just run wild 255 00:09:29,269 --> 00:09:27,760 i've had all kinds of cajun food like 256 00:09:31,110 --> 00:09:29,279 etouffee and jambalaya i've had 257 00:09:32,470 --> 00:09:31,120 spaghetti i've had steak i've had shrimp 258 00:09:33,750 --> 00:09:32,480 cocktail 259 00:09:36,150 --> 00:09:33,760 the only things we really try to avoid 260 00:09:38,150 --> 00:09:36,160 are things that are crumbly like popcorn 261 00:09:39,750 --> 00:09:38,160 or crackers because once you bite into 262 00:09:40,870 --> 00:09:39,760 them the crumbs don't just follow the 263 00:09:42,710 --> 00:09:40,880 floor they float around and get in 264 00:09:48,949 --> 00:09:42,720 people's eyes and hair and it gets to be 265 00:09:55,430 --> 00:09:50,949 what is the best energy power to go to 266 00:09:58,870 --> 00:09:55,440 mars nuclear wind or solar 267 00:10:02,069 --> 00:09:58,880 did you say nuclear wind or solar 268 00:10:03,910 --> 00:10:02,079 uh nuclear power wind or solar power 269 00:10:05,350 --> 00:10:03,920 okay well wind power i'm assuming you 270 00:10:06,630 --> 00:10:05,360 mean the solar wind using the pressure 271 00:10:08,710 --> 00:10:06,640 from the sun because otherwise there's 272 00:10:09,590 --> 00:10:08,720 no air in space to take you out to mars 273 00:10:12,389 --> 00:10:09,600 so 274 00:10:14,630 --> 00:10:12,399 they'd have to be very big more than a 275 00:10:15,670 --> 00:10:14,640 kilometer across to give you some of the 276 00:10:16,949 --> 00:10:15,680 thrust 277 00:10:19,030 --> 00:10:16,959 solar power is what i talked about when 278 00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:19,040 you take your solar radiation you pick 279 00:10:24,630 --> 00:10:20,560 it with a solar cell and you convert 280 00:10:25,829 --> 00:10:24,640 that into thrust and nuclear power 281 00:10:27,670 --> 00:10:25,839 simply takes the same thing rather than 282 00:10:29,350 --> 00:10:27,680 using solar energy you're using a 283 00:10:30,710 --> 00:10:29,360 nuclear source now 284 00:10:32,230 --> 00:10:30,720 aside from the problems you have with 285 00:10:33,910 --> 00:10:32,240 the nuclear source the radiation and all 286 00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:33,920 the shielding you have to have if you're 287 00:10:37,990 --> 00:10:36,079 going to go out much past mars in the 288 00:10:40,389 --> 00:10:38,000 solar system you probably need to have 289 00:10:42,470 --> 00:10:40,399 nuclear power because the sun's the 290 00:10:44,150 --> 00:10:42,480 power of the sun's light drops off with 291 00:10:45,670 --> 00:10:44,160 the square the distance so going twice 292 00:10:47,910 --> 00:10:45,680 the distance from the earth as you are 293 00:10:49,509 --> 00:10:47,920 right now the the power of the sunlight 294 00:10:51,509 --> 00:10:49,519 is now one quarter of what it would be 295 00:10:53,829 --> 00:10:51,519 going three times it make you give one 296 00:10:55,750 --> 00:10:53,839 ninth so going out to jupiter which is 297 00:10:58,389 --> 00:10:55,760 about nine times the distance from the 298 00:11:00,790 --> 00:10:58,399 sun is the earth you would have only one 299 00:11:01,829 --> 00:11:00,800 eighty first or about an 80th of the 300 00:11:03,509 --> 00:11:01,839 solar 301 00:11:04,870 --> 00:11:03,519 power that you have here near the earth 302 00:11:06,150 --> 00:11:04,880 and so you can imagine something like 303 00:11:08,150 --> 00:11:06,160 having the 304 00:11:10,310 --> 00:11:08,160 solar rays on the space station which 305 00:11:12,069 --> 00:11:10,320 are as an acre of solar arrays you would 306 00:11:14,470 --> 00:11:12,079 need 80 acres of solar rays to get the 307 00:11:16,150 --> 00:11:14,480 same amount of power out of it so once 308 00:11:17,269 --> 00:11:16,160 you get past mars which has about half 309 00:11:18,710 --> 00:11:17,279 the amount of sunlight that we get 310 00:11:20,550 --> 00:11:18,720 because of its distance 311 00:11:22,389 --> 00:11:20,560 you really need to go get the nuclear 312 00:11:23,910 --> 00:11:22,399 power simply because 313 00:11:26,470 --> 00:11:23,920 the size of the solar rays to get that 314 00:11:27,829 --> 00:11:26,480 energy gets to be um just ridiculous the 315 00:11:29,430 --> 00:11:27,839 same thing for solar wind too because 316 00:11:36,310 --> 00:11:29,440 that solar wind would drop off as well 317 00:11:41,030 --> 00:11:38,870 what new technology do you see for space 318 00:11:43,269 --> 00:11:41,040 travel to mars 319 00:11:45,750 --> 00:11:43,279 oh lots of new technologies out there a 320 00:11:47,670 --> 00:11:45,760 lot so we talked about the these 321 00:11:48,949 --> 00:11:47,680 solar electric and nuclear and power 322 00:11:50,310 --> 00:11:48,959 engines that those are new technologies 323 00:11:51,910 --> 00:11:50,320 that we really don't have right now you 324 00:11:53,670 --> 00:11:51,920 do have ion engines but they're very 325 00:11:57,190 --> 00:11:53,680 very 326 00:11:58,949 --> 00:11:57,200 satellites out and deep states with them 327 00:12:00,230 --> 00:11:58,959 in and your breath if you're just 328 00:12:01,509 --> 00:12:00,240 blowing against your hand will put out 329 00:12:03,030 --> 00:12:01,519 more thrust in those engines we're 330 00:12:04,550 --> 00:12:03,040 looking at things that put out 331 00:12:05,990 --> 00:12:04,560 real rocket type through us those are 332 00:12:07,829 --> 00:12:06,000 much bigger technologies there the other 333 00:12:09,990 --> 00:12:07,839 part is automation i'm sitting in 334 00:12:11,670 --> 00:12:10,000 mission control where we can control 335 00:12:13,910 --> 00:12:11,680 just about every aspect of the space 336 00:12:16,870 --> 00:12:13,920 station now we can turn its attitude its 337 00:12:18,629 --> 00:12:16,880 altitude uh the life support systems all 338 00:12:20,069 --> 00:12:18,639 in very much real time we have cameras 339 00:12:21,990 --> 00:12:20,079 that look over the astronaut shoulders 340 00:12:23,269 --> 00:12:22,000 as they work aboard the space station if 341 00:12:25,350 --> 00:12:23,279 you're near mars 342 00:12:27,509 --> 00:12:25,360 light takes can take up to 20 minutes to 343 00:12:29,430 --> 00:12:27,519 get back to earth from from where you 344 00:12:31,670 --> 00:12:29,440 are at mars another 20 minutes for you 345 00:12:33,509 --> 00:12:31,680 to go do a change from what you see and 346 00:12:35,430 --> 00:12:33,519 so we need to have automated systems 347 00:12:37,110 --> 00:12:35,440 almost like you take a mission control 348 00:12:39,509 --> 00:12:37,120 and all the brains and the ability that 349 00:12:41,030 --> 00:12:39,519 it has and try and make that put that in 350 00:12:42,949 --> 00:12:41,040 a box you know make an artificial 351 00:12:44,069 --> 00:12:42,959 intelligence system that'll let us 352 00:12:45,990 --> 00:12:44,079 make those type of decisions that 353 00:12:47,350 --> 00:12:46,000 mission control can make and keep 354 00:12:48,710 --> 00:12:47,360 astronauts out of trouble because it's a 355 00:12:50,550 --> 00:12:48,720 lot of information it's more than 356 00:12:52,069 --> 00:12:50,560 probably four people could handle we 357 00:12:53,670 --> 00:12:52,079 have rooms and rooms and very smart 358 00:12:55,430 --> 00:12:53,680 people here in mission control we look 359 00:12:56,949 --> 00:12:55,440 at all these different just streams of 360 00:12:58,629 --> 00:12:56,959 data coming back from the space station 361 00:13:01,110 --> 00:12:58,639 we won't have that luxury out by mars 362 00:13:03,910 --> 00:13:01,120 and so we need uh better computers 363 00:13:05,590 --> 00:13:03,920 smarter computers that can handle that 364 00:13:07,509 --> 00:13:05,600 yeah there's this i go through just 365 00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:07,519 pages and pages of new technologies that 366 00:13:10,949 --> 00:13:09,600 i'm pouring over every day to see how 367 00:13:12,629 --> 00:13:10,959 they can help me 368 00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:12,639 get things like deep space habitats out 369 00:13:19,670 --> 00:13:15,600 by mars late in the next decade 370 00:13:24,150 --> 00:13:22,150 um what is the best way to transport the 371 00:13:25,750 --> 00:13:24,160 most oxygen 372 00:13:27,750 --> 00:13:25,760 what is the best way to transport the 373 00:13:29,269 --> 00:13:27,760 most oxygen uh 374 00:13:30,790 --> 00:13:29,279 it depends on what you're trying to do 375 00:13:33,430 --> 00:13:30,800 if you just want to get it into as small 376 00:13:35,110 --> 00:13:33,440 a volume as possible then liquid oxygen 377 00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:35,120 is a very way to go a very good way to 378 00:13:39,670 --> 00:13:36,880 do that and we do done that on airplanes 379 00:13:41,189 --> 00:13:39,680 and spacecraft for a very long time 380 00:13:42,949 --> 00:13:41,199 however you need to keep it very cold 381 00:13:44,550 --> 00:13:42,959 and that takes a lot of power it can 382 00:13:45,829 --> 00:13:44,560 also be very dangerous liquid oxygen 383 00:13:48,629 --> 00:13:45,839 when it mixes with things can be 384 00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:48,639 explosive from time to time and so you 385 00:13:51,189 --> 00:13:49,680 want to 386 00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:51,199 find ways to keep oxygen from being 387 00:13:55,350 --> 00:13:53,600 dangerous well then you can tie it up in 388 00:13:56,550 --> 00:13:55,360 different types of 389 00:13:57,750 --> 00:13:56,560 compounds 390 00:13:58,870 --> 00:13:57,760 i'm not sure what difference like 391 00:14:00,389 --> 00:13:58,880 there's metals like lithium and other 392 00:14:03,269 --> 00:14:00,399 ones that you can bind up the oxygen 393 00:14:05,269 --> 00:14:03,279 it's not quite as densely liquid oxygen 394 00:14:06,870 --> 00:14:05,279 but it's very close and then you can 395 00:14:08,710 --> 00:14:06,880 heat those things up or have a catalytic 396 00:14:10,710 --> 00:14:08,720 reaction and release those in fact a lot 397 00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:10,720 of the new aircraft you'll see out there 398 00:14:14,790 --> 00:14:12,720 flying around now have what are called 399 00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:14,800 onboard oxygen generating systems or 400 00:14:18,230 --> 00:14:16,800 obogz and that's exactly what it does it 401 00:14:20,069 --> 00:14:18,240 takes oxygen that's bound up in a 402 00:14:21,910 --> 00:14:20,079 compound with a metal and you can heat 403 00:14:24,069 --> 00:14:21,920 up and release that oxygen and then it 404 00:14:25,829 --> 00:14:24,079 comes back out that way and so it just 405 00:14:26,629 --> 00:14:25,839 depends on what application you're 406 00:14:27,829 --> 00:14:26,639 trying 407 00:14:33,430 --> 00:14:27,839 you're using it for and what you're 408 00:14:39,750 --> 00:14:35,750 what are some of the biggest problems 409 00:14:42,150 --> 00:14:39,760 about colonizing mars 410 00:14:44,629 --> 00:14:42,160 see the big problems for colonizing mars 411 00:14:47,189 --> 00:14:44,639 is that you need a way to support that 412 00:14:49,030 --> 00:14:47,199 colony on mars so you need if you're 413 00:14:50,230 --> 00:14:49,040 going to have to export or if you're 414 00:14:52,069 --> 00:14:50,240 there import 415 00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:52,079 all of your food all of your water all 416 00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:54,160 of your air everything you need to live 417 00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:55,600 then you're going to need a wagon train 418 00:14:59,910 --> 00:14:58,079 of ships going out to mars 419 00:15:01,030 --> 00:14:59,920 you know burning rocket fuel you know by 420 00:15:02,230 --> 00:15:01,040 the truckload to get out there to 421 00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:02,240 support everything and if one of those 422 00:15:05,590 --> 00:15:04,000 doesn't make it for some reason 423 00:15:08,069 --> 00:15:05,600 you could be in for a very lean time 424 00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:08,079 between those resupply missions so big 425 00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:09,040 thing is you want to be able to grow 426 00:15:11,030 --> 00:15:09,920 your own 427 00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:11,040 food or 428 00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:12,639 or create your own food while you're 429 00:15:15,829 --> 00:15:13,360 there 430 00:15:17,110 --> 00:15:15,839 mars we suspect will have seen pres 431 00:15:18,790 --> 00:15:17,120 evidence that there's water beneath the 432 00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:18,800 soil so if you can create use your own 433 00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:20,079 water there you don't have to bring that 434 00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:21,519 up from earth as well and that's 435 00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:22,800 probably the key ingredient to life is 436 00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:23,760 water 437 00:15:30,470 --> 00:15:27,600 air that you can breathe so we need ways 438 00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:30,480 of harvesting that water and 439 00:15:35,430 --> 00:15:32,800 then using it to keep ourselves alive on 440 00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:35,440 mars also mars has a lot of the same raw 441 00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:36,800 materials that earth has so if you're 442 00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:38,800 going to rather than bring up some type 443 00:15:42,629 --> 00:15:41,360 of iron you know bracket or something 444 00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:42,639 like that you might be able to 445 00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:44,160 manufacture it there at mars it'd be a 446 00:15:48,069 --> 00:15:46,240 whole lot cheaper and easier and with 447 00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:48,079 things like 3d printing technology now 448 00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:49,600 we may be able to do 449 00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:52,480 create complex pieces of equipment 450 00:15:56,069 --> 00:15:54,000 without having to go through a big 451 00:15:57,509 --> 00:15:56,079 factory you can sit there and make a 3d 452 00:15:59,829 --> 00:15:57,519 cad file of it and then print it up and 453 00:16:01,749 --> 00:15:59,839 use it there so it's that ability to be 454 00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:01,759 self-reliant so you're not so dependent 455 00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:03,440 upon this wagon train of logistics from 456 00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:05,199 planet earth to keep you alive will be 457 00:16:15,749 --> 00:16:13,350 uh what type of spacecraft will be 458 00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:15,759 needed to land on mars and would rockets 459 00:16:19,509 --> 00:16:17,519 still work 460 00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:19,519 to go land on mars i think you'd almost 461 00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:21,199 have to use a rocket unless we develop 462 00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:23,440 something very new and exotic 463 00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:24,240 these 464 00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:25,600 nuclear propulsion systems and other 465 00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:27,279 ones they don't put out a whole lot of 466 00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:29,040 thrust for their weight they're very 467 00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:31,440 very efficient and so if you want 468 00:16:35,430 --> 00:16:32,800 something that puts out a lot of power 469 00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:35,440 that that dragster of a motor then you 470 00:16:38,949 --> 00:16:37,120 need a just a chemical rocket to get you 471 00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:38,959 in and out of mars atmosphere so i 472 00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:41,440 expect we'll use a combination of 473 00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:43,839 aerodynamic braking uh parachutes and 474 00:16:47,189 --> 00:16:45,839 then finally just a landing rocket to 475 00:16:48,790 --> 00:16:47,199 get us those last few feet down the 476 00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:48,800 surface of mars and you're going to need 477 00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:50,399 a rocket to get yourself off the surface 478 00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:52,480 of mars that's one thing we've yet to do 479 00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:54,240 is have something land on mars and take 480 00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:55,600 back off again 481 00:16:59,189 --> 00:16:57,600 and so that's where you're going to need 482 00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:59,199 a chemical rocket you can't just get 483 00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:01,440 there by bouncing bags or parachutes if 484 00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:02,880 you want to get off the surface mars and 485 00:17:04,949 --> 00:17:04,240 come back to earth which i would like to 486 00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:04,959 do 487 00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:06,319 then you'll need a rocket and a chemical 488 00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:07,760 rocket is about the best solution for 489 00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:12,630 so great questions and we still have 490 00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:14,319 time for a few more you got any more 491 00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,640 questions 492 00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:18,480 what would be the best 493 00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:19,439 plan 494 00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:22,000 to go grow on mars 495 00:17:28,390 --> 00:17:25,199 the best plants to grow on mars 496 00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:30,150 yes sir okay 497 00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:32,400 boy i really couldn't tell but i imagine 498 00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:34,080 that um 499 00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:35,280 maybe we should ask you what's your 500 00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:36,720 favorite vegetable what my favorite 501 00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:38,640 vegetable is 502 00:17:41,350 --> 00:17:39,440 oh 503 00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:41,360 i'd say like anything that makes a good 504 00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:42,799 salad give me give me lettuce and 505 00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:44,960 tomatoes and and fruits like like 506 00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:46,720 oranges and apples 507 00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:48,160 but there's probably more efficient 508 00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:50,240 things out there that like soy that you 509 00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:51,840 can turn into lots of other foods if 510 00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:52,880 you're going to grow something like that 511 00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:54,400 or things that don't take up a whole lot 512 00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:56,080 of 513 00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:00,320 you what you need but i'm not the person 514 00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:02,240 to ask about that i'm i'm a physical 515 00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:03,919 scientist not a biological scientist and 516 00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:05,520 i'm profoundly ignorant about those 517 00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:07,120 things we do grow things in our in our 518 00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:09,200 habitat demonstration units uh fresh 519 00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:10,880 vegetables like cucumbers and cherry 520 00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:12,880 tomatoes and and it's always good when 521 00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:15,200 you get to harvest your own 522 00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:17,200 garden to put on your on your meals 523 00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:18,960 though so it's more than just nutrition 524 00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:20,640 as a certain part of it that's just it 525 00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:29,990 in space what is the average miles per 526 00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:33,360 hour at top speed 527 00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:34,160 okay 528 00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:36,559 uh to just to get to orbit and stay in 529 00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:37,919 earth orbit so you don't fall back to 530 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:41,360 earth you must go at least 17 500 miles 531 00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:43,200 an hour 532 00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:45,039 now ironically enough that's that 533 00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:47,120 out to the space station uh if you were 534 00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:48,559 to go out and measure the speed of the 535 00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:50,000 moon it would be actually much slower 536 00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:51,200 than that it doesn't fall the earth so 537 00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:52,240 the further you get away from the earth 538 00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:54,000 the slower you can go but you still need 539 00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:55,919 that much speed to get out there the 540 00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:57,840 apollo rockets that went to the moon 541 00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:00,080 left the earth's atmosphere going about 542 00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:02,559 oh let's see mach 32 which i think is 543 00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,559 somewhere in an uh 544 00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:06,720 around 25 000 miles an hour much faster 545 00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:08,080 than orbital velocity but they were 546 00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:10,720 going much slower when they got to this 547 00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:12,240 out to the moon imagine if you were in a 548 00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:13,440 roller coaster at the very bottom of 549 00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:15,200 that roller coaster to get to the top of 550 00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:17,120 that you need a whole lot of speed but 551 00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:18,880 once you're at the very top of that hump 552 00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:20,480 there on a roller coaster you're almost 553 00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:21,760 out of speed that's like going to the 554 00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:23,120 moon you leave the earth with a lot of 555 00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:25,039 speed but you lose a lot of that energy 556 00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:26,240 on the way up to the moon so you're not 557 00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:27,760 going very fast by the time you get 558 00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,640 there 559 00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:30,720 so so we always talk about the it's 560 00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:32,799 called the delta v or the velocity you 561 00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:34,960 need to escape to go other places and 562 00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:38,480 that's i'd say it's that's it's it's oh 563 00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,799 i wanna say 32 564 00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:42,320 000 feet per second and i haven't 565 00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:43,360 haven't quite figured how to convert 566 00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:44,720 that to miles an hour for you on the fly 567 00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:46,160 here yet but that's about what you need 568 00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:47,840 to escape from the earth 569 00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:49,679 great and thank you i think that's all 570 00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:52,000 the time that we have now um al thanks 571 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,360 again for coming out and talking with